Swirl People

I like them....

Swirl People - pity I live so far away:-(
my daughter Révin(5) loves "you're a star" and sings along while I'm busy mixing, sweet huh?

Lester!!!quickly becoming one of Cape Town’s top DJs?!?!?!Asseblief...dude cant mix for shit & track sselection,my word...please dude!!!
stick to being bedroom dee jay!!!
Whoever wrothe this shit is smoking he's sock!!!

I see that tik epidemic is still rampant in Cape Town.

Wot eva >
you think that you're clever
I think that's going to be never
Stop smoking that stuff
Its making you doff
I don't even know Lester
Yet here you're the Jester
Don't be so jealous
and be more generous
give him a shot
maybe he's hot!!!

HAHAHAHAHAha
Nice 1 Silent...

HAHAHAHAHAha
Nice 1 Silent...

jesus, are we now a bunch of 3year old rhyming retards??

my question to this lot is:

are housefreak, partymad, silent, kingpin, woteva, funksouldja, etc all the same one or 2 people having arguments with or amongst themselves in the third (and sometimes 4th or 5th!) person/s?

any thoughts on this?

ps. i dont mind which of your multiple personalities reply.

bobbyblanko - If you noticed I thought what silent said was hilarious pisses me off when I see peeps dissing what other promoters do at least guy's like Lester and the rest of gang try and keep the scene alive. Might not be the best DJ's in world but I respect what they do...

bobbyblanko> Hi! I am not housefreak, silent, kingpin, woteva, funksouldja.
But I do think Funksouldja = housefreak.

KingPin> I agree with you, it upsets me when people like Regan and others have bad things to say about promoters who are trying to keep the house scene alive in Cape Town. Like I said before I am sure it's not cheap to bring these guys down. I have heard from sources that it could cost R15000 upwards to do these international events.

Partymad: It doesn't cost that much when you have a JHB promoter to share flight costs with. Trust me.

btw Regan was doing a good job of 'keeping the scene alive' at the last party of his I went to. why pick on him?

partymad and kingpin> out of interests sake, how would you define the 'house scene'?

b> Last time on the forum he blasted Lester and Alvin for doing the Joey Youngman event, he called them P03s & Naa...ers you can figure it out. Which I thought was uncalled for. I know for a fact that the Joey party costed more than R15000 to do. Which is fairly expensive in my books. I did some costing, the average flight will cost you about R25000 + Dj fees of about $900 per set Then accomadations, then there is promotional materails, supporting djs, venue costs you looking at already more than R30000.
So if you do share it with another promoter you looking at 12-15000.

b> I think it is slowly growing, but the music has changed from the MORE days, Scene is better than what it was 5 years ago, I have seen and heard more internationals in the past 3 years, than what I did in the last 10 years I have been partying. People seem to enjoy the Jackin sound with a mixture of deep house. Deep house parties seems to get started later and now that most of the clubs are forced to close at 4am, do not think it's good to have strictly deep house party.

seem to recall it was so much about the promoters, rather that Joey Youngmans music was shite. fair enough imo.

b> Ok you right on that point, but why blast them for something that not much people are willing to do? I went to that event and I thought it was top class, I have never seen deluxe pump like that, I mean the entire club was Dancing from the front all the way to bar and I hope that the Swirl People event will get the same support. Everybody must stop hating and do what they do for the greater good.

i guess we're back to the same argument that not everyone likes the jacking sound. when i poll people's opinions (and i mean people who have been into deep dance for a long time in all its guises) they comment that the sound is kinda childish and immature to a certain extent. maybe they're getting older and are acquiring a more refined taste in the music they would like to hear, hence a lot of them preferring not to support events and leaving it to the youngens to choof and dance to jackin jerk house. there are other events in CPT that push the boundaries though and if you are in the know, you will know about them. some of them (gratefully) are private events so let's all play nicely and not dis one another. you never know how things change. we can only learn from the international scene what the benefits of working together yields.

Partymad> there are always two sides to every story. internationals coming to SA could also mean that they are not in demand overseas, hence discounting their rates to cater for weaker SA currency...or they have friends here...and that's the other side of the story.

we can all play the jacking sound if we wanted to, but if you are into the collection of music like a lot of the (dare i say) more mature jocks are, then imo the jackin sound is really not something which fits into a record or music collection. e.g. i'm not playing my Tango or Fetish promos of yester year, but I could still play something on Wave or Global Comm for example.

Be that as it may, i go out in CPT to stay in touch with the vibe in any case but thats' just me i guess

partymad> good point re the number of internationals that are hosted these days.
i think its in keeping with a worldwide trend of less huge parties / events and a more club focused direction, hence the many internationals playing in cape towns clubs these days, from deluxe to fiction and beyond.
from that perspective, people have certainly benefited, particularly when it comes to networking possibilities.

russ> re the jackin' sound: there are a number of djs who started playing years ago whose music still hasnt progressed beyond that point to an extent! and since some of of them have been very successful peddling a radio friendly version of deep/funky house, it stands to reason that a number of the up n coming younger djs will try to replicate the sound thats served the commercially established jocks so well.

still, they should know better...

I say each to there own everybody is going to have a different opinion about who plays what. At the end of the day it's all about having a good time, which I think happens on both sides of the scale. Not everybody enjoys the as Russ put it the more refined taste in music, some people actually enjoy the more jacking sound. Either way there is enough in the scene for everybody to have a piece of the pie, look at Deluxe as being a starting point for peeps coming from the commercial scene to the house scene who at a late stage move on to the more refined sound. Me thinks that benefits everybody doesn't it...We all have a part to play so respect what the next guy does especially when what he's doing could benefit you at a later stage...

Jack> I don't want to pick a fight - I was just messing around so don't go insinuating that I'm a three year old retard ok. Secondly I don't appreciate you using Jesus's name as a swear word and I don't want anymore comments regarding this because we're grown ups and I'm so tired of hearing the same shit over and over - play another song already dj's - flip EVOLVE - move on the next level - you know there's more to this don't you??? so wake up and catch up or should I fetch you??
SHUT UP I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO COMMENT ON WHAT I SAID.

And sorry uncle Jack not everything applies to you - and the ones who feel convicted by what I said YOU are the ones I'm talking to - the mature folk won't take this personally.
Have a lovely day.

"SHUT UP I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO COMMENT ON WHAT I SAID."

lol! change your tampon already!

Badger> pms comes before the period so here's me lmao at you shithead....

I am kinda funny aren't I??

silent > no. you are kinda a complete fucking idiot.

what i'd like to see coming through in ct & rsa in general is some more production & less genre bashing. then perhaps we'd all be a lot more qualified to comment on the prevailing sounds of today - once we are steering the ship & not swimming in the wake?

the pot shot taking at guys like joey youngman / sexual chocolate / over the last few months is all fair & well, but how much of an understanding can the naysayers really claim to have of what sounds are relevant without having ever released anything themselves?

it's time to stop immitating & start creating people, then maybe we won't need to bring out so many djs as we'd have something to call our own...

Clyde Frog> you lucky have a nick cos you don't know who you're fucking with so piss off while I still don't know who the hell you are - you don't want me to turn nasty on you so fuck off. Go find a princess to kiss you so you have a chance to turn into a prince cos frogs are freakin ugly like your personality.
leave me alone I don't like you and I don't give a shit if you feel the same just deal with it cos I don't give a shit. good luck.

... and to think I'm such a nice girl. lol
ps: still think this is funny bwahaha

''it's time to stop immitating & start creating people, then maybe we won't need to bring out so many djs as we'd have something to call our own...''

erm, can i just say thats utter fucking bollocks?

there are so many superb djs in cape town that fall within the house spectrum (deep/funky/hard/minimal/prog/etc, etc) that the 2 or 3 existing cape town venues that dont play r&b could quite easily have a very strong line up of excellent home grown talent every night of the week.

besides that - and dont get me wrong, im all for people coming over from wherever to play here - how many times have we all seen the local guys blow the cream of international talent away.
its like football - the residents will always have home turf advantage, ie. know the crowd and what rocks that particular house.
i have been witness to a number of international guests getting it wrong when playing in cape town, having been paid vast sums of money whilst the local talent finds it hard to get a free drink during their set.

bring them, but make sure they have something to bring us.

''I don't appreciate you using Jesus's name as a swear word''.

those damn jehovahs witnesses, eh? they really are everywhere these days.

and one more thing...

i think this is the longest thread in the history of the new look e-vent, and i just wanted to post something to be number 30, as its been a while since i could claim to be that number... sigh.

bobbyblanko> to quote myself: "what i'd like to see coming through in ct & rsa in general is some more production"

how many of said djs in ct are putting out[producing] anything to compete with those that are being slammed on this board?

"its like football - the residents will always have home turf advantage" - i assume you're not talking bafana...

bobby> please don't start as well - I know I swear a lot still - I'm not a Jehova's witness they give me the creeps too... I've been water babtized - I am not ashamed to say I am a Christian and since my faith is based on Jesus Christ being the Son of God which I believe and know with my heart and lets not get into discussions about religion cos I don't do that especially on a board, I just stand up for Him when His name is used inappropriately. We're all allowed our opinions and I'd appreciate some respect for standing up for what I believe in.
thank you.

I still like Swirl people that girl (forgot her name its on my album cover somewhere) has a stunning voice... I know its been out for a while but I'm using it on my latest demo just because I love the song so much! Ja I'm pathetic with the names of my vinyl's - but so what - I know which one plays which songs and that's all that really matters - but I'm working on it :-)

Can we play nice now?

Silent>Play nice!?!?!?!Are u like five or something...this is e-vent dude...emphasis on "VENT", deal with it!!!

damn. the facebook craze over already?

alan: must be like an early birthday party...or not.
we should bust robb-e out of jail for this one. plenty of material to cash in on... sex, religion, tik etc

Wot eva>My daughter is five and way more mature than you ever will be - if you don't have a sense of humor you'll remain a jealous little twat.
Go to the bathroom and go have a little vent there, I'm sure you'll feel much better - oh and please don't think of me while doing it - I'm way out of your league so get over yourself and shut the fuck up.

cawitness> sorry, but your argument falls apart in a number of ways, the main one being the big pay off line in the middle:

''how much of an understanding can the naysayers really claim to have of what sounds are relevant without having ever released anything themselves?''

since when has that had anything to do with making someone with, lets say for eg. 5 to 10 years of djing experience, relevant?

as an analogy: if you can make spaghetti, ie boil the water and add a ready made woolies bolognese sauce, that doesnt make you heston fucking blumenthal. it just means you are a very average chef.
by your reckoning, because you have prepared a dish, regardless of its quality or the real effort and passion put into it, you are now qualified to comment on a professional chefs cooking.
so what about the millions of people out there who absolutely love eating great food, going to good restaurants, travelling the world and sampling its cuisine, but never cook at home...? according to you they would be devoid of the sense of taste or the concept of good food because they dont cook themselves!

its a bullshit argument.

there are shitloads of fantastic djs who dont produce, but i can tell you there are far more producers who cant dj to save their fucking lives.

bobbyblanko - Well said "there are far more producers who cant dj to save their fucking lives." Some of the top producers are utter bollocks and should stick to producing...

bobbyblanko> so still no answer to my question then, guess we can count the amount of producers on this board with one finger...

no matter what metaphor you choose to use, it doesn;t change the fact that half of the airbags on this board haven't given so much as a toe clipping to the shaping of electronica, except for playing someone else's tunes...

as both a producer and a dj, and as someone who doesnt mind the stuff that ive heard by swirl peepz (2 or 3 promos sent to me), i still think its a bullshit argument.
its a great idea to encourage capetonians to produce more electronica, but thats their CHOICE, and if they choose not to, but still want to voice their OPINION on music or djing, to deny them their choice or opinion is purely cultural fascism.
so, youve never had an opinion on a film you have watched, as (correct me if im wrong) youre not a director?

Damn 41 post! You guys are really pashionate about Swirl People :)

cawitness: ie those who can, produce and those who can't, dj? I've tried my hand at production. I wasn't happy with the results at all. If I had put them on a few blank cd's and shoved them into the hands of everyone who comes to Killer Robot would that make me somehow more relevant?? come on now...

cawitness - Dude there are a lot more guy's doing production than you know, doesn't mean they haven't released anything they don't know what they talking about. Also up to a few years ago some of the top DJ's produced by Cape Town were not into production and I don't think they did to bad...

Just for the record - I'm not a producer yet although I'm looking for a decent one up here although I suppose I can do it on my own - have 11 backing tracks that Mark Wilkinson sent me from Kidology and I get to pick one that I can sing to - was going to work with Dino but we can't work together cos we argue too much... so its me in the studio - I'll have to edit a bit so although I'm cheating cos I have some tunes from Dab hands, dynamite souls, MW - I can still show my talent by adjusting the song to the way I want it.

If you want to do me a favor go ask Dino if he's still cross with me.

Dino Moranduzzo if you're confused or as you all know him Dino Moran

PS: My sincerest apologies for swearing so much yesterday - it was ugly, rude and makes me a hypocrite - so please forgive me, Jesus already did.

cawitness> there seems to be loads of guys producing + mastering and not releasing in CPT. they are playing them in sets all over the show. most, if not all the jocks that i know in CPT are or have tried producing. its a natural progression. i sucked at it so i went to a top-notch guy who produces a range of electronica to make some stuff for me. there was better stuff out there though. but at least i tried.....so i'm not 100% sure where your 'toe-clipping' comment is coming from, which gives me the impression that you're seem to be mis-informed..anyway, my 2 cents worth.

on another note, i'm rather looking forward to that 2nd stage at the earthdance event so let's hope the waether holds up.

bobbyblanko> are you keen? we've got a posse going

cawitness seems to have gone a bit quiet...

as far as ''playing other peoples records'' goes, that in itself is a massive contribution towards the ''shaping of electronica'' - djs are just as responsible as producers for setting the scene.

lets face it, a lot of stuff is made with the intention of getting played out by specific djs per genre, so producers need to realise they are not as creative as they often like to think they are, but are really just a service to the djing industry.

ha ha!

russ> my love for you is deep, but you should know by now how i feel about trance...
so enjoy, be safe and try to make it out of there in less than a million pieces!

Producing is something you need to be passionate about, it has nothing to do with mixing records.
When I saw Herbert down here (fucking awsome producer) he was a caught a bit at sixes and sevens in the mix at times, the music he played though was awsome.
You make it I'll play it...

50th post...in your face, IN YOUR FACE... HeHee

shit, i didnt notice the big 5 - oh on the clock.. sneaky bastard!

bobby> nooit man there are loads of other genres being played as well so it's not just straight-up the vein all the time. anyway, we need to get together at some point

bloody hell, missed the boat on this one!

oh well, might as well break the news now, all house music is shit anyway ;)

abi> ''all house music is shit anyway''

wow, now theres one ive never heard before.

hahaha. utterly hilarious. you really should be on stage with that kind of comedic talent.

no doubt you are into 'real' music, with 'cred'?

dont tell me - drum n bass?

bobbyblanko> you sucker...

whatever.

dude, i was just taking the piss. and you fell for it. lighten up...

as i said - whatever.

quite a interesting debate about nothing i reckon.....im very interested what mr belmans will be dishing out at deluxe....
Those guys at deluxe are brave to spend cash to for an international and i guess in their own way are basically just keen to see their heroes.....same as i was a few years back.
Got to see some outstanding and some real shitty djs......shaped me as a producer now and a dj then.
I know for a fact that a lot of the punters love the jackin house sound at deluxe so i guess its apt.
man ive cleared the floor the a few times trying to be adventurous....
So it makes sense to have belmans down for a set at Deluxe...
Wether i or any other person on this post enjoys i guess is pretty irrelevant as they probaly not regular supporters of Deluxe.This is a by no means me trying to defend shit just stating the facts as i see it.
The production point yeah its pretty difficult and if i had to think about it ive produce some absolute shit in my time lol.....Its a difficult game for me personally trying to manage creativity with business.
Whoever is doing this should know what im talking about.
As to the drug aspect of clubbing i hate to say it but dance music and drugs are intrinsically tied together just the way things are. A few years ago it was coke and cat now its crystal meth....even further back acid and exctasy.
Thats the how the cookie crumbles.....im sure they doing drugs at bang bang, roosevelt etc......i just gave up on trying do something about it....today i dont preach i dont comment about it personally it aint for me if its for you then have fun safely please and take care.

What amazes me is the sheer amount of polarisation a topic about Deluxe can generate. how do you account for that?

its home to some and ibane to some i guess and revovles around one of the most intersting aspects of out lives i think. music?

it certainly WAS home to some...;)

lmimp.......thats funny....

Not sure how Deluxe became the topic, albeit that said international is playing there. That said, I'm sure there are many a folk who don't necessarily like the music but still like going there on the odd occasion

He did a good job of it at the smirnoff experience im just hoping that it aint all jacking house that i can take a break from,,,, to be honest .

LOL @ EVRYBODY IN TEH WORLD

He did a good job of it at the smirnoff experience im just hoping that it aint all jacking house that i can take a break from,,,, to be honest .

What a load of shit on here, yet again.
Anyway, I was there and it was fucking rocking [the music that is]. Hence all this load of bullshit debate [again] and not one dj who has his records was there. Good show Cape Town.

I stand to be corrected on the dj support [about 4 dj's were there]. So much politics hey and you all just play music.....